If so then why? As to changing color, it is often more efficient, and even cost effective to just go around twice with a good "paint and primer in one" paint. Sometimes the paint looks beige other times a hint of green. . Like many things in life, it boils down to personal preference and budget. Of course we always don't have to prime, but if in doubt...prime. I also doesn't wash well. If you paint over a shinier sheen such as flat over eggshell you will get the peeling. And...again...a knowledgable associate can provide advise true... but there is a difference between having the right tools and knowing how to effectively use them. I don't experience this coverage problem much at all with SW or BM paints, and that's the truth of my experiences thus far between brands. SW transitioned well after the lead was taken out of paint. Ultimately it is your choice and as a homeowner for me it was also about budget. Secondly, if a white base paint is used, the paint will have just as much white pigment as a dedicated primer. Never again, I would rather prime first than to worry about the job going bad. @David, it's amazing how we can have such differences in experience with the same brand. I put on a primer coat. the average time is 80% for prep, and 20% for applying the paint...so just rolling/brushing over whatever is there usually doesnt work out too good. My husband is painting a front door with behr paint ...he has put on seven coats so far with a blotchy finish ..will never use behr paint again ! These days, I read reviews that are 3 out of 5 stars because I think they ate the least likely to be faked. However we did not buy the cheapest paint out there. The trim is not as good as Benjamin Moore or Sherwin Williams- Duration or Emerald. * We have ACE-Royal, Ralph-Lauren, & C2 paints. In my experience, both Behr primer and "Ultra" paint do not hide very well. As to the walls peeling. Sometimes I'm still not happy with itI. We get better with practice. Its worth every penny if not more!. In order to compete you have to offer the same product that the other companies are offering and then explain (usually BS) why your product is better. Ben comes in with great performance by its smooth application and easy touch-up features. Gloss Latex on wood can be a real no no, too. If you think Behr paint is the very best paint, aside from the fact that you haven't told us what Behr paint you're talking about, it's still a silly thing to say and your opinion on the matter isn't worth much. The specialized tinters for Aura alone may approach $20K for some models. It only means that often the paint can be used where a dedicated primer would have been used, but often a second coat is required. Kind of in-between Benjamin Moore Wickham Gray and Stonington Gray. — Choosing Paint: Sherwin Williams vs. Behr vs. Benjamin Moore vs. Valspar vs. PPG. Behr does not have the best coverage and you cannot get away with 1 coat. There are so many variables which can affect the outcome; - were the walls well sealed? The guy at the paint desk at HD said that Behr has taken BM’s most popular colours (White Dove is one of them) and has re-created formulas that create better colour matches using their paints. Despite shaking and stirring this paint goes on … I consider myself a perfection (I'm an artist). The article was about how someone developed a computer algorithm to identify the posts that are shills. Living room ,hall and Kitchen..It took one primer coat and 3 coats of red. I painted portions of the house 16 months ago, and it looks as good today as it did then. First, the "primer" is exactly the right color. I have had no problems with it, but I have a muddy tan color by he name of "Latte". some paint manufacturers carry red, green, blue, and yellow bases that contain around 20 oz. What is the recommendation on how to apply the paint? Ben Moore has beautiful colors, but sometimes I go in there and I'm overwhelmed by all of them. There is a learning curve to all of this, in my younger days I did very little research /time on painting, resulting in failure. The Aura is a lot more matte than the Duration. I'm not a professional painter, but, I/we do all the painting in our homes ourselves. We also did a lot of sanding and found that sanding sponges were the answer, for larger areas I got an orbital sander. 1) You need a high quality base as the vehicle to hold an abundance of colorant - like what is needed for some colors of red. I dont see how they could stay in business if their products were unreliable. The match ended up being very, very close. And dark ceiling beams. Taureg is a little too concerned about the "bases" issue. Pure White OC-64. Another thing I like is Wooster paint brushes and 'weeny rollers'. Years ago when Aura just came out I painted the DR with it though I didn't like the (then) $50/galloon price...now much more. We have the best manufacturing workforce in the world, ask my 21 year old chevy truck built by the workers in Fort Wayne Indiana. We've been very happy with the results. Obviously going over a color in the same color family is going to color better. Even a burgundy color made in Fine Paints of Europe may take 3 coats. Benjamin Moore Cabinet Paint: Painting cabinets is a great way to update your kitchen, bathroom, or even your laundry room without spending a lot of money. Two kitchen layouts....which works better. I wanted to mention that SW is having their paint sale this weekend (20-23) -at least in our area - my friend received it in an email and passed it along to me. I have always been sensitive to the color gray on walls, though- too many undertones for me and a hazy look that reads “dirty.” Your impression and preference may, of course, be quite different. The point is, it is not always that damned Behr, Sherwin-Williams or BenMoore paint that is causing the problem. My preference now is for SW and BM, mostly lean to SW during the constant sales when it is 40% off. Also used the paint forums a lot and paint company tech reps listed on the back of the cans. I'd like to suggest that Home Depot is not the same as Behr. The place has good light coming thru windows. Titanium keeps going up in price and may be the most important item to read on the label. As someone who has used both Benjamin Moore and Behr paints, often in the exact same color, I can tell you that this is completely false. Since this was a smaller job I decided to forego my favorite and expensive Benjamin Moore and go for something more economical. I know EXACTLY what the issues are with Gardenandcats red!! Quality paint coupled with proper prep applications and all applied by a reputable, experienced finisher(s) = quality paint projects that will save money in the long run. Almost happened to me, the Big Box told me just to paint the old paneling in my kitchen. I would definitely consider this option again! Well at least I sanded it first, probably the only reason the paint stuck to the wall. They think there is actual primer in the can too. This is due to its bad coverage/hiding. When a painter quotes on a job and supplies the paint, they normally use a paint where they can purchase for less, if there is no discussion on a brand and quality level. It's colorants are VERY different than the normal Glycol-colorants that 98% of paint-lines use. ..it's terrible. BM or Kelly Moore are both excellent and totally worth the price. Aura uses Acrylic colorants that are very opaque...you could actually PAINT with the colorants! Edit: Paint/primer is still just paint as there is no primer in paint/primer if my info is correct? I've painted every room, door and all trims with Behr Premium Plus Ultra (matte for walls/ceilings, satin for doors/trim). die App nutzen, stimmen Sie der Verwendung von Cookies und von ähnlichen Verfahren der Houzz Gruppe zur Verbesserung der Produkte, Dienstleistungen, zur Darstellung von relevanten Inhalten und um das Nutzererlebnis anzupassen, zu. Often it is the ignorance of the painter about all the factors which can cause bad results. Sometimes they come up with stuff that I haven't thought of. So I took a slightly wet paper towel no soap to wipe it off. Suffice it to say: bright ,clear colors don't cover as well as dull colors. Had to strip moldings that had used cheap latex glosses. Oh, and how about Devoe paint? It's still a relevant topic - this amazes, yet never bores me. I am considering Swiss Coffee sherwin williams. If only one room is being painted and you are a beginner be prepared to perhaps repeat the job if not to u satisfaction. It may be ok if you're painting fully white walls. Prices can vary by several bucks a gallon. Shown above, similar colour, Benjamin Moore White Dove. You get what you pay for. it even made a job I did myself look Good! I am painting a bathroom Burgandy that was Peach. All Behr paint is not the same so there is no way you can paint with "plain" Behr paint. As someone who arrived here via Google, let me point out a recent article in the NY Times about how often people are paid to write reviews - and this is on ALL sites - TripAdvisor, Amazon, Yelp. I love Lori A. Sawaya's comment and applaud the care she gives customers who don't want to break the bank to paint a room. All the major manufacturers make multiple lines of paint, ranging from "contractor's" crap paint to really good paint. Comes at a price though. Well perhaps behr jas degraded in the last year. It is not just the pros labor that is being bought, it is his years of experience and knowledge. My fil is helping. I have trained many people in my career, and used all of the electronic eye scanners available to date - every device says to scan the color, add 75% of the given formula, then adjust to perfect. Can you guys believe this thread was started November 7, 2006. They have colors no one else can make or match and their coverage is tops. I find it very thin and runny. The reason SW markets their paints as self priming or as having primer in the paint is because that is the trend in terms of marketing. Significant color changes from light to dark, or dark to light , ask a lot of any paint in one coat. Or maybe a transportation or storage error ruined the product, but less likely unless it was the actual store...but more likely than a manufacturing error. Am interested in buying the best wall paint...what are the procedure. On-screen and printer color representations may vary from actual paint colors. In Canada, BM is $70-90/ gallon, which is not cheap though. Primer is much more brittle than floor paint and SW said to use their floor paint right over my bare wood floors. SW will cover most light colors in one coat. Behr is cheaper but I find that I have to use more coats to get the same coverage as I would get from a more expensive paint. my only other comment is that a perfect color match is possible, but not by a color scanner - if the person matching your color, scans your chip, and does not adjust the formula....watch out, probably wont be too good. --Sometimes peal off like food wrap and roll into eraser balls when sanded. Do not ask the people who sell Behrs any questions about prepping, what paints can go over what paints , etc, as in my experience they think they know the answer based on their short training sessions instore, but they have steered me wrong in that dept many times years ago, learned my lesson the hard way. Hi, I'm a new home owner. Here's how, Touted as a new neutral, this baby blue can stand on its own or support bolder colors. Curious? CR is hogwash most of the time. Behr vs. Valspar: Which is Better. It changes all the time. I hate to "continue" a somewhat recent thread, BUT there's SO many misconceptions about "bases" & "tinting-systems"... First off-* I've had my hands in paint for nearly 10yrs, at an upscale Hardware/Furnishings, etc. I used bm aura and then I used behr premium plus ultra . It covers so well because it has about 20% more white pigment than the Ultra . 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